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<title>Why I Converted to Orthodoxy
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<description><![CDATA[ <p>This past Saturday (&quot;Bright Saturday&quot; in Orthodoxy) I was officially Baptised and Chrismated into Orthodox Christianity at St. Ksenia of St. Petersburg's Russian Orthodox Church. This is a culmination of a couple of years reconsidering the Evangelical Protestant faith of my childhood, and I decided to share my reasoning.</p>
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<p>This past Saturday (&quot;Bright Saturday&quot; in Orthodoxy) I was officially Baptised and Chrismated into Orthodox Christianity at St. Ksenia of St. Petersburg's Russian Orthodox Church. This is a culmination of a couple of years reconsidering the Evangelical Protestant faith of my childhood, and I decided to share my reasoning.</p>
 <p>I was convinced to look more closely into Orthodoxy for three reasons:</p>
 <h3 id="the-beauty-and-naturalness-of-the-liturgy-art-and-holy-days.">1. The Beauty and Naturalness of the Liturgy, Art, and Holy Days.</h3>
 <p>The Orthodox Church strives for timeless, transcendent beauty in it's liturgy and art; while all too often Protestant churches strive for mere fashionability.</p>
 <p>Add in the feasts and fasts, and Christianity easily becomes part of the natural tempo of life, rather than simply being for Sundays, Easter, and Christmas, with the other 312 days of the year dedicated to secularism.</p>
 <p>Of course this is not an exclusively Orthodox virtue--it's shared to at least a certain extent with Lutherans, High-Church Anglicans, and the Roman Catholics; in fact a Catholic blogger (<a href="http://www.scifiwright.com/">John C. Wright</a>) was a major influence on me in this area, but it is something sadly lacking from the Evangelical traditions.</p>
 <p>Reading more about the &quot;High-Church&quot; traditions left me feeling that there was something missing from the churches of my childhood, which started my journey towards Orthodoxy.</p>
 <h3 id="authority-versus-radical-individualism.">2. Authority versus Radical Individualism.</h3>
 <p>Protestantism has embraced a form of radical individualism in it's attitude towards truth, doctrine, and morals. But if we must each come to our own conclusions about the tough questions that leaves only two possibilities:</p>
 <ol style="list-style-type: decimal">
 <li><p>Universal direct Spiritual guidance, aka: everyone's a prophet. But those people who do claim such a gift of prophecy are often the most contradictory to each other and to mainline Protestantism.</p></li>
 <li><p>Each man follows his own intellectual reasoning. But, forgive me for being a little arrogant here: I'm am very, very intelligent, and enjoy reading moral and philosophical works; if independent reasoning is the important factor, then I should have been closer to the truth than nearly everyone, but an honest appraisal of my own thoughts and history shows that it took me years to figure out fairly basic questions. One man alone, no matter how smart, can not develop a full system of Christian morals and doctrines by himself.</p></li>
 </ol>
 <p>If neither universal prophecy nor independent reasoning can lead us to the truth, or at least not to anything approaching the full truth, then the question is not &quot;what opinions to hold&quot;, but rather &quot;what authority or authorities can I trust to inform and shape my opinions&quot;.</p>
 <h3 id="standing-against-political-correctness.">3. Standing Against Political Correctness.</h3>
 <p>In reading various writers on social subjects, while many writers from all parts of Christianity and beyond held views I could agree with, I found myself agreeing with writers from a relatively little known faith tradition far more often than I would have expected. (In particular I should mention <a href="http://journeytoorthodoxy.com/2016/04/from-the-church-of-christ-to-the-orthodox-church-part-1/">David Scott Klajic</a> who writes at <a href="https://americandadweb.wordpress.com/">American Dad</a>, but he was far from alone)</p>
 <p>I found myself wondering why both clergy and laymen, of this relatively small and little-known [in the west] sect was so over-represented among Christians who actually where willing to take a stand against the abuses of Political Correctness. Perhaps this was the Church that had a rightful claim to authority?</p>
 <h3 id="conclusion">Conclusion</h3>
 <p>There where various other issues I've looked at over the last year or two--the Bishop of Rome, Church History, Ecumenical Councils, <em>Sola Scriptura</em>, etc.--but these three factors are what originally got me through the door of my local parish a year and a half ago, and laid the foundation of my decision to convert last week.</p>
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<title>Christ is Risen
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<p>
 Christ is risen from the dead,<br />
 trampling down death by death,<br />
 and upon those in the tombs bestowing life!<br />
 
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 href='http://www.holytrinitybutte.org/fresco.html'><img
 src='http://static.timp.com.au/images/2017-04_resurrection_of_christ_holytrinitybutte.jpg'
 alt='Icon of the Resurrection of Christ from Holy Trinity Serbian Orthodox
 Church in Butte, Mt'></a>
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<title>Harvard Classics 7 & 8: Christianity and the Theatre
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<category>HarvardClassics</category>
<category>Philosophy</category>
<category>Religion</category>
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<p>At this rate I should be finishing the Harvard Classics in around 2026. Oh
 well, on to the latest update.</p>
 
 <p>Volume 7 is The Confessions of St. Augustine and The Imitation of Christ
 by Thomas a Kempis, both of which I acquired in hard copy.</p>
 
 <p>The Confessions is pretty much what you'd expect; it's the story of St.
 Augustine's life from his birth to shortly after his conversion from
 Manichaesm into Christianity, as well as a couple of of bonus chapters on the
 subject of Creation and Genesis.</p>
 
 <p>I used a relatively old translation by E. B. Pusey, which was somewhat dry
 and tiring to read unfortunately, but it was still well worth reading. At some
 point I think I'll try to track down The City of God and read that as
 well.</p>
 
 <p>The Imitation of Christ is essentially a series of notes on how to live for
 young monastics. Many parts of it are still applicable to non-monastics, but
 that was the intended audience of Brother Thomas, and it shows through on
 occasion.</p>
 
 <p>I used the fairly modern translation by William C. Creasy, which I think
 may have been a mistake. He favoured a very simplified style of language,
 which suffered the failing of many "simply" translations of complex works:
 it's often rather ugly, and reading ugly prose is tiring in it's own way.</p>
 
 <p>As well as that according to his introduction he deliberately set out to
 translate it in a manner compatible with modern post-Vatican II Catholic
 theology; he claimed in the Introduction that he only did so to the extent
 necessary to make up for the modern lack of understanding of the context to
 which Brother Thomas would have been writing, but I as a reader am left not
 knowing what he might have changed.</p>
 
 <p>He gives this example in the introduction of how he changed the translation
 of one particular sentence. Early in the book Brother Thomas says "This is the
 highest wisdom: through contempt of the world to aspire to the kingdom of
 heaven." which apparently and "informed reader" would understand as (and
 Creasy translates as) "This is the highest wisdom: to see the world as it
 truly is, fallen and fleeting; to love the world not for its own sake, but for
 God's; and to direct all your effort toward achieving the kingdom of
 heaven."</p>
 
 <p>This may be a reasonable opinion as to what an "informed reader" would get
 out of that passage, but it is just Creasy's opinion. Essentially we're
 viewing the work through the lens of Creasy's personal theology and
 understanding of medieval philosophy.</p> 
 
 <p>Moving on from the questions about the translation, I found Book 4: The
 Book of the Sacrament the most interesting. It showed a different, and far more
 serious attitude towards communion than I am used to from the more easy-going
 Protestantism I grew up with. And an attitude I find myself starting to move
 towards more and more.</p>
 
 <hr />
 
 <p>Volume 8 is various ancient Greek plays. I modified the list a little
 based on what I had print copies of, but I ended up reading:</p>
 
 <ul>
 <li>Seven against Thebes by Aeschylus; I forget which translation</li>
 <li>Hecabe, Electra, and Heracles by Euripides and translated by Philip
 Vellacott, which I had in hard-copy</li>
 <li><a href='http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/31'>The Oedipus Trilogy</a> by
 Sophocles and translated by F. Storr</li>
 <li>The Acharnians, The Clouds, and Lysistrata by Aristophanes and translated
 by Alan H. Sommerstein, also in hard-copy</li>
 </ul>
 
 <p>Seven against Thebes was the dullest of the plays, and covered some of the
 same events as the Oedipus Trilogy. It appears that I didn't even keep a copy
 of the ebook. It probably was not the best choice for a singly play of
 Aeschylus, but it's what I ended up with.</p>
 
 <p>The tragedies of Euripides where a step up, but really there's not much to
 say about them. They where entertaining, and worth reading for the window into
 a different world, and different world-<em>view</em> they offer though.</p>
 
 <p>The Oedipus Trilogy, AKA the Theban Plays, is actually three unrelated
 plays by the same playwright (Oedipus the King, Oedipus at Colonus, and
 Antigone), which where not intended as a trilogy, but are often combined since
 they deal with the same characters, and the later two are very definitely
 dealing with the carry-on effects of the first. I'd say these where my
 favourite of the Greek theatre that I have read, and Antigone is probably my
 favourite of the three. If you're only going to read a little bit of Greek
 theatre go with these ones.</p>
 
 <p>The Comedies of Aristophanes I didn't like as much as the tragedies,
 interestingly my favourite was The Clouds, which is the most tragic of the
 three.</p>
 
 <p>The most interesting observation to come out of these was how much of what
 would be considered gross-out humour in modern times they had. Fart-jokes,
 poop-jokes, and sex-jokes all abound; Lysistrata has two groups of old folk
 (one of men and one of women) have a battle-of-the-sexes in song, in which
 their genitalia feature heavily, any stage directions in the plays are
 apparently guesses from modern scholars, but I'm pretty sure it's generally
 accepted that at least the old men strip off during the song, perhaps the old
 women as well.</p>
 
 <p>My dislike of such humour quite probably contributed to my poor opinion of
 these plays, so people who like that sort of humour may find them more
 entertaining.</p>
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<p>An image meme correcting a popular, but very wrong, "quote" from Marcus
 Aurelius:</p>
 
 <p><a
 href='http://static.timp.com.au/images/marcus_aurelius_meditations.jpg'
 target='_blank'><img
 src='http://static.timp.com.au/images/marcus_aurelius_meditations_small.jpg'
 alt='Marcus Aurelius Internet atheist fake quote' /></a></p>
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<title>Harvard Classics Volume 4 - The Lost and The Regained
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<category>Literature</category>
<category>HarvardClassics</category>
<category>Religion</category>
<category>Poetry</category>
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<p>Yep, I'm still reading the Harvard Classics, even if I'm reading them
 slowly.</p>
 <p>The fourth volume of the Harvard Classics consists of the collected poetry
 of Milton. I read this in three separate volumes: <a
 href='http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/31706'>Minor Poems</a> (I commend this
 edition due to it's extensive and well linked footnotes), <a
 href='http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/20'>Paradise Lost</a>, and <a
 href='http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/58'>Paradise Regained</a>.</p>
 
 <p>There's not much to say about these; having read them I can see why Milton
 is considered to be one of the greatest English authors of all time, even if
 for myself I lack the taste for poetry and knowledge of the many allusions he
 makes to truly appreciate them to their full.</p>
 
 <p>I did appreciate seeing a different view on the common Bible stories that
 Milton was retelling though; both the fact that he essentially interpreted
 the regaining of Paradise to have happened during Jesus' 40 days in the
 wilderness rather than on the cross, and that his interpretation of the first
 sin, and the relationship to Adam, Eve, and authority in inter-sexual
 relationships was very foreign to most modern eyes.</p>
 
 <p>We're now moving on to Emerson; I've actually started already, and so far
 I'm not a fan of the Essays (though I'll reserve judgement until I've read a
 bit more), but English Traits sounds rather interesting.</p>
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<title>Armarium Magnus
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:03:53 +0200</pubDate>
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<category>Linkage</category>
<category>Literature</category>
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<p>I've mentioned <a
 	href='/archives/2010/08/12/the_stupidest_thing_on_the_internet_ever/'>Tim O'Neill's
 	blog here before</a>, but he hadn't posted since quite some time. (he's even
 worse than me at the whole regular posts things; though his posts are longer and
 far more interesting) Despite this I've still checked back there
 every now and again incase he starts posting again, and <a
 	href='http://armariummagnus.blogspot.com/2011/01/lost-history-of-christianity-by-philip.html'>now
 	he has</a>. As with all of his reviews it's full of interesting historic
 information; I strongly recommend reading it.</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 23:03:54 +0200</pubDate>
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<category>Linkage</category>
<category>Literature</category>
<category>Religion</category>
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<p>A review <a
 	href="http://armariummagnus.blogspot.com/2009/10/gods-philosophers-how-medieval-world.html">God's
 	Philosophers: How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern
 	Science</a>. I strongly recommend reading this post; It's both entertaining
 and educational. Note the title of this post is not a reference to Author
 himself, but rather something he talks about in his post (about a third of the
 way down).</p>
 
 <p>I also recommend the review of <a
 href="http://armariummagnus.blogspot.com/2010/05/gods-battalions-case-for-crusades-by.html">God's Battalions: The Case for the Crusades</a>
 by the same author. It was also an eye opener, but I was a bit more
 uncomfortable reading it; mostly because I actually agreed [Past tense is
 intentional] with the Author of the book he was reviewing.</p>
 
 <p>Hattip to <a href='http://tjic.com/?p=15903'>TJIC</a> for pointing out that
 blog.</p>
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<title>The Christian Lobby supports wage caps
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<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:03:57 +0200</pubDate>
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<category>Politics</category>
<category>Religion</category>
<category>Socialism</category>
<category>Philosophy</category>
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<p>Apparently <a
 href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/30/2700165.htm">the
 Australian Christion Lobby supports wage caps</a>:</p>
 <blockquote>
 <p>... Jim Wallace from the Australian Christian Lobby says the churches
 want equality in wealth.</p>
 
 <p>"There is no way that you can justify this degree of difference between
 senior executives' pay and workers' pay," he said.</p>
 
 <p>"Certainly I think that the church needs to speak out. This is a matter
 that greatly effects the nature of our society."</p>
 </blockquote>
 
 <p>So as an Australian Christian I've sent them an email expressing my views on
 this issue:</p>
 <blockquote>
 <p>Hi,</p>
 
 <p>I've noticed that you've come out at least partly in support of government
 restricting wages for higher paid worker: <a
 href="http://www.acl.org.au/national/browse.stw?article_id=29217">http://www.acl.org.au/national/browse.stw?article_id=29217</a>
 (it's possible that the ABC has misrepresented the ACL's views on this of
 course, in which case I recommend posting a clarification). I oppose this quite
 strongly and feel that I should explain why.</p>
 
 <p>There are three problems with supporting this:</p>
 
 <p>1. It's impractical. It won't work in the majority of cases for two reasons: the
 first is that there will be loopholes, which a smart accountant will be able to
 get the through, and the second is that we are talking about people dropping
 from 10-20Mil to 5Mil; these are people who can easily move overseas to
 countries that don't have such laws, meaning that Australian companies would
 lose access to a large number of the most highly sought-after executives,
 harming the Australian economy, potentially quite seriously.</p>
 
 <p>2. Supporting this plan is liable to drive people away from the Church. People
 get angry when the Church is seen as "interfering" with the government, and this would be
 seen as the Church interfering with the government by many.</p>
 
 <p>3. There is no Biblical or Moral defense of such a stance that I'm aware of.
 Truly neither of the others is a good enough reason for the Church to ignore
 a strong moral issue like say Abortion, but this isn't a moral issue. The
 nearest thing I'm aware of in the Bible is the rich young ruler who Jesus told
 to give his money to the poor, but the thing is that Jesus told him to give his
 OWN money to the poor, not to raise taxes and give that money to the poor, and
 definitely not to set some maximum "fair" wage for anyone in the area he was the
 ruler over.</p>
 
 <p>I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on why the Christian church needs to support this
 proposal.</p>
 
 <p>PS. I'll be posting the text of this email on my own website
 (http://blog.timp.com.au) as well, and would appreciate being able to post your
 response there as well.</p>
 
 <p>--<br />
 TimP<br />
 [http://blog.timp.com.au]</p>
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<title>Religious Freedom?
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<p><a
 href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,26131574-29277,00.html">Victoria
 Changes the Discrimination Laws</a>:</p>
 <blockquote>
 <p>"Religious schools or religious charities, for example, will have to show
 how belonging to a particular religion is relevant to the job they are
 trying to fill," Dr Szoke said.</p>
 <p>"In the case of religious education teachers or chaplains, this will be
 clear. However, in the case of office staff or the maths teacher it will
 need to be made explicit how religion is relevant to the job."</p>
 </blockquote>
 
 <p>It could have been worse of course; certain groups where trying to get the
 exception which allows religious groups to discriminate on the grounds of
 sexuality removed as well:</p>
 
 <blockquote>
 Tasmanian Gay and Lesbian Rights Group  spokesman Rodney Croome  says the
 right to employment and education is more important than pandering to
 religious prejudice.
 </blockquote>
 
 <p>May I politely suggest that the Salvation Army and any other religious
 charities (Christian or otherwise) cease to operate in Victoria? I know that
 I'll have moved to Queensland within twelve months of NSW introducing such a
 law.</p>
 
 <p>This is part of the reason I'm against any-workplace discrimination laws
 full-stop. The majority of businesses aren't going to discriminate based on race
 or religion, and those few that do aren't going to like having to employ such
 people at present, and will almost definitely have a grudge against them
 personally for as long as they have to continue to employ them. So the current
 system just ends up putting people in jobs where the boss is going to abuse
 them. Wonderful.</p>
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<p>Whilst this argument has been stated previously (C.S. Lewis formed the first
 version with only three L's, and Legend was added later), I feel it is well
 worth repeating. This is essentially an argument as too who the real historic
 figure of Jesus of Nazareth was. There is extensive historical documents
 surrounding this Rabbi from Judea who claimed to be much more than just a Rabbi.
 (Don't believe me that Jesus claimed to be God? See Matt. 27:43, Mark 14:62,
 Luke 22:70, John 6:35, John 6:40, John 6:51, John 8:12, John 8:23-24, John 8:58,
 and a bunch of others that I couldn't be bothered to look up right now)</p>
 
 <p>There are essentially four possibilities as to who Jesus was based on
 these documents: Legend, or these account are heavily if not entirely
 fictionalized; Liar, or Jesus was a masterful Charlatan, perhaps with some form
 of demonic or magical power; Lunatic, Jesus was insane; or Lord, Jesus is the
 rightful Lord and ruler of your life. Essentially Jesus of Nazareth must be one
 of these four things, or some combination thereof. Now lets examine each of
 these in order:</p>
 
 <h4>Legend</h4>
 <p>Now this one is the most popular and consists of two main variants. First,
 Jesus did not exist at all, which doesn't make sense from a historic
 perspective, the shear quantity of documentation about him proves, as near as
 can be done with any historic figure, that Jesus of Nazareth existed. Now of
 course the more popular form is almost definitely that Jesus did exist, but that
 is no more reliable most scholars place the original authorship of the New
 Testament within the life span of the people who actually met Jesus. Just
 imagine if a bunch of Martin Luther King's supporters started to make those sort
 of claims about him today. It doesn't make sense.</p>
 
 <h4>Liar</h4>
 <p>Basically this requires Jesus to have been such an expert liar that he
 actually managed to convince a large number of people that he rose people from
 the dead, several times, and even feed thousands of people magically, again
 several times. Managing to trick people into believing in these miracles is a
 miracle in and of itself. And then of course there's the little question of how
 many liars are willing to die for their lies?</p>
 
 <h4>Lunatic</h4>
 <p>Of course he might still be crazy, except of course that the thousands of
 people who met him in his life appear not to have thought so, after all
 they where apparently quite impressed with him, so much so that leaders in
 society came to him for help on several occasions. Also crazy doesn't grant the
 power to perform miracles as far as I know.</p>
 
 <h4>Lord</h4>
 <p>And that leaves our third and final possibility. So, who do <i>you</i> think
 Jesus was?</p>
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