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<title>Tim's Bits and Pieces: Jurisprudence</title>
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<title>Three-strikes-and-you're-out &amp; other Escalating Punishments
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<link>http://blog.timp.com.au/escalating_punishments%3A2014-07-10%3AJurisprudence%2CPolitics</link>
<comments>http://blog.timp.com.au/escalating_punishments%3A2014-07-10%3AJurisprudence%2CPolitics#comments</comments>
<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2014 00:30:17 +0200</pubDate>
<dc:creator>TimP</dc:creator>
<category>Jurisprudence</category>
<category>Politics</category>
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<p>A comment over on <a
 href='http://davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2014/07/elsewhere-130.html'>David
 Thompson's blog</a> got me thinking about escalating punishments for repeat
 offenders, and I thought I'd share my [slightly-expanded] thoughts here as
 well.</p>
 
 <blockquote>
 <p>[In reference to burglary] If you get a stern finger wagging and a suspended
 sentence for the first one, five years for the next, 7 1/2 for the third, 11
 1/4 for number four, then by seven convictions total sentence is longer than a
 normal human lifespan. Or maybe you invoke a three-strikes-and-you're-out
 rule, and stick to it.</p>
 </blockquote>
 
 <p>In general I like the idea of escalating punishments for crimes committed
 by repeat offenders, but you need to be cautious to make sure they don't
 escalate too much. As the old story goes:</p>
 
 <blockquote>
 <p>In Ancient China a group of spearmen from a small village where on their way
 to meet up with the rest of the army. They where a couple of days out from the
 rendezvous point when the village elder sat them down around the campfire and
 asked them a question:</p>
 
 <p>"Does everyone know what the punishment for being late is?"</p>
 
 <p>"Death" one of the spearmen replied.</p>
 
 <p>"Does everyone know what the punishment for rebellion is?"</p>
 
 "Death" said another.
 
 <p>"Well boys ... we're late."</p>
 </blockquote>
 
 <p>And you don't want the absurdity like the Californians throwing shop-lifters
 in jail for life, that's just silly.</p>
 
 <p>Still prior-record should be taken into account for crimes. If you're going to
 reform it's probably going to be during the first prison sentence
 afterall.</p>
 
 <p>There is the option of encouraging Judges to hand down suspended sentences.
 Perhaps all crimes have reasonably aggressive minimum suspended sentences
 (there's some problems with minimum sentences, but giving the Judge the
 ability to decide if it's suspended or to be served straight away would
 alleviate some of them). Of course with suspended sentences you get the funny
 case of a Burglar who's now mostly reformed getting a major sentence for
 shoplifting.</p>
 
 <p>Another possibility is a simple, though still more complex than the current
 system, percentage add, for burglary you might add +50% for any future
 sentence, or for shoplifting +5%, or mugging +75%, with the add on percentages
 adding together. An example sentence might then be something like:</p>
 
 <ul>
 <li>No criminal record: 5 years.</li>
 <li>2x shoplifting: 5 years 6 months</li>
 <li>1x burglary, 2x mugging: 15 years</li>
 </ul>
 
 <p>The advantage of this is that I suspect Judges would be more likely to use it.
 It's easier to say "In future if you continue down this route you'll be
 punished more harshly" than "You are going to be punished harshly here and
 now". I'd probably leave it up to the sentencing authority to decide what
 percentage increase was appropriate for each case though, perhaps with
 guidance in the laws as we now have for number of years.</p>
 
 <p>Another option would be to have prior convictions increase the
 "without-parole" period. I think I've read that parole is the big problem
 here, in that most criminals get out before serving their full time, so leave
 the total sentence the same, but prior convictions increase the minimum time
 until parole is possible.</p>
 
 <p>Of course none of these will necessarily fix the problem on their own. The
 ultimate problem is that we as a society, or at least our "betters", have
 forgotten that "mercy" without justice is actually just cowardance.</p>
 
 <p>Systematic changes may help, but they are secondary to the cultural changes
 needed, if our Judges and Parole boards had more of a focus on justice, repeat
 offenders would be given harsher sentences, and would be less likely to
 receive parole anyhow.</p>
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<title>Rousseau's The Social Contract
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<link>http://blog.timp.com.au/rousseaus_the_social_contract%3A2010-12-19%3AJurisprudence%2CLiterature%2CPhilosophy%2CPolitics</link>
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<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 23:03:54 +0200</pubDate>
<dc:creator>TimP</dc:creator>
<category>Jurisprudence</category>
<category>Literature</category>
<category>Philosophy</category>
<category>Politics</category>
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<p>As I mentioned earlier I've recently read through <a
 		href='http://www.constitution.org/jjr/socon.htm'>Rousseau's <i>The Social
 		Contract</i></a> (not that translation though, mine was by Lowell Blair
 in the 1970's), and I'll expand on my initial review ("Wrong, but in interesting
 ways") here.</p>
 
 <h3>The Social Compact</h3>
 <p>The most important part of <i>The Social Contract</i> is <a
 	href='http://www.constitution.org/jjr/socon_01.htm#006'>Chapter VI</a> of
 the first book, since this chapter is where Rousseau explains the conditions of
 the "Social Compact" itself, at least as he sees it. All the previous chapters
 build up to this chapter and all the following chapters build upon it. If the
 arguments presented in this chapter are in error the book as a whole collapses
 and becomes purely an interesting intellectual curiosity (there are some
 sections that still maintain some value in isolation). Unfortunately I would
 argue that Rousseau's understanding, as expressed in this chapter, is in error,
 and such severe error as to be un-salvageable.</p>
 
 <p>First let us examine Rosseau's own words (emphasis mine):</p>
 <blockquote>
 	<p>The clauses of this contract are so determined by the nature of the act
 	that the slightest modification would make them vain and ineffective; so
 	that, although they have perhaps never been formally set forth, <strong>they are
 		everywhere the same and everywhere tacitly admitted and recognised</strong>, until,
 	on the violation of the social compact, each regains his original rights and
 	resumes his natural liberty, while losing the conventional liberty in favour
 	of which he renounced it.</p>
 
 	<p>These clauses, properly understood, may be reduced to one - <strong>the total
 	alienation of each associate, together with all his rights, to the whole
 	community</strong>; for, in the first place, as each gives himself absolutely, the
 	conditions are the same for all; and, this being so, no one has any interest
 	in making them burdensome to others.</p>
 </blockquote>
 
 <p>And as to why this must be so:</p>
 <blockquote>
 	<p>... if the individuals retained certain rights, as there would be no
 	common superior to decide between them and the public, each, being on one
 	point his own judge, would ask to be so on all; the state of nature would
 	thus continue, and the association would necessarily become inoperative or
 	tyrannical.</p>
 </blockquote>
 
 <p>What man would give every part of himself to society; not just his body and
 his efforts, but even his opinions, since Rosseau claims that men judging
 between themselves and society would cause the contract to become inoperative?
 It seems that only an absurdly trusting man would join such an association
 willingly and that most men would only join such such an association by force.
 As Rousseau himself argues earlier (in Chapter III) force does not make
 right, with the result that such a contract, created by force, would be
 invalid.</p>
 
 <p>I doubt that men sufficiently trusting and naive to join such an association
 exist even in small numbers, let alone the numbers necessary to form a society,
 but for the sake of argument let us assume that they do. Would not at some point
 these people judge the actions of society (it does not seem to matter whether
 they judge them as right or wrong in Rousseau's opinion), or at least their
 descendants? At which point society either ceases to exist or reverts to
 tyranny.</p>
 
 <p>It seems extraordinarily unlikely that such a society would come into existence
 or last for any length of time if it did. Rousseau's writings on how to best
 structure society are consequently irrelevant to any real society, and are only
 of interest as a thought experiment.</p>
 
 <h3>The Marks of a Good Government</h3>
 
 <p>As another example in a less important way Rousseau also errs in his
 discussion of the best way to measure the whether a government is <a
 	href='http://www.constitution.org/jjr/socon_03.htm#009'>good or
 	ill</a>:</p>
 
 <blockquote>
 	<p>But if it is asked by what sign we may know that a given people is well
 	or ill governed, that is another matter, and the question, being one of
 	fact, admits of an answer.</p>
 
 	<p>...</p>
 
 	<p>For my part, I am continually astonished that a mark so simple is not
 	recognised, or that men are of so bad faith as not to admit it. What is the
 	end of political association? The preservation and prosperity of its
 	members. And what is the surest mark of their preservation and prosperity?
 	Their numbers and population. Seek then nowhere else this mark that is in
 	dispute. The rest being equal, the government under which, without external
 	aids, without naturalisation or colonies, the citizens increase and multiply
 	most, is beyond question the best. The government under which a people wanes
 	and diminishes is the worst. Calculators, it is left for you to count, to
 	measure, to compare.</p>
 </blockquote>
 
 <p>This is obviously absurd. For example using the birth and death rates listed
 on Wikipedia the best government in the world is Mali and the worst is Ukraine,
 China is somewhat worse than Australia or the US (which are about the same), but
 significantly better than Canada, and Mexico is significantly better than
 the US, even though huge numbers of Mexicans risk their lives every year to try
 to get from Mexico to the US. While it probably made a bit more sense in the
 time's prior to birth-control, it still doesn't work. A government could simple
 require each woman who wasn't currently pregnant or nursing a child to visit
 the local "love shack" once a week. This could easily double the actual birth
 rate of a nation, yet I'm sure most people would agree that it would actually
 make the government worse.</p>
 
 <h3>Slavery and Taxes</h3>
 <p>As I mentioned earlier, though the central premise of this work is nonsense,
 there are some individual chapters that are still of some small value in
 isolation. <a href='http://www.constitution.org/jjr/socon_01.htm#003'>Chapters
 	III and IV</a> of the first book are of some value as arguments
 against slavery and "might makes right", though Rousseau does make several
 assumptions that I disagree with (in fairness I suspect he may have covered
 these more in his <i>Discourse on Inequality</i> which was written earlier than
 <i>The Social Contract</i>, but which I haven't read). Another section that stands out is the first part
 of <a href='http://www.constitution.org/jjr/socon_03.htm#015'>Chapter XV</a> of
 the third book, where he states that he "... hold[s] enforced labour to be less
 opposed to liberty than taxes." I don't know if I agree with him on this, but I
 do know that if we where forced to work one day out of two for the Government
 our taxation burden would be much more obvious, and I suspect more likely to be
 opposed.</p>
 
 <h3>Conclusion</h3>
 <p>Rousseau's <i>Social Contract</i> is really only of use as an intellectual
 curiosity. Due to his fundamental misunderstanding of human society any
 attempt to structure a government based on his recommendations would be a
 mistake, quite probably a tragic mistake. If you're reading it to expand your
 intellectual horizons, as I was, you may gain something (particularly from the
 first book), but if you want to improve your knowledge of good government you
 will be sadly disappointed.</p>
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<title>Solariums
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<link>http://blog.timp.com.au/solariums%3A2010-01-18%3AHumour%2CJurisprudence%2COddities</link>
<comments>http://blog.timp.com.au/solariums%3A2010-01-18%3AHumour%2CJurisprudence%2COddities#comments</comments>
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<category>Humour</category>
<category>Jurisprudence</category>
<category>Oddities</category>
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 [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/17/2794092.htm">Solariums
 	ignoring new laws</a>:</p>
 
 <blockquote>
 	<p>Under the amendments to the Radiation Control Act introduced [by the
 	<acronym title='New South Wales'>NSW</acronym> government] in May, children
 	under 18 and people with fair skin are prohibited from using solariums.</p>
 
 	<p>A government audit of solariums ... has found that 87 out of 89 solariums
 	failed to comply with the new, stricter regulations.</p>
 </blockquote>
 
 <p>Let's ignore the difficulties in defining what is "fair skin" and also why
 the government can say I can't do stupid things with my own body if I want to,
 and move right onto the statement from the Australasian Solarium
 Association:</p>
 
 <blockquote>
 	I would say that <em>the majority</em> of the solariums out there are doing the right
 	thing and that's why they're still operating. [Emphasis mine]
 </blockquote>
 
 <p>So that's why the government is cracking down on solariums; the radiation
 they emit obviously interferes with proper brain function, to such an extent
 that heavy exposure can result in the inability to distinguish between <em>the
 	majority</em> and <em>2.5%</em>. Heck, I don't say this lightly, but perhaps
 we should think about banning them entirely.</p>
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<title>Drinkers to Blame
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<link>http://blog.timp.com.au/drinkers_to_blame%3A2009-11-12%3AJurisprudence%2CPersonal-Responsibility</link>
<comments>http://blog.timp.com.au/drinkers_to_blame%3A2009-11-12%3AJurisprudence%2CPersonal-Responsibility#comments</comments>
<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:03:53 +0200</pubDate>
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<category>Jurisprudence</category>
<category>Personal-Responsibility</category>
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<p>The High Court of Australia has decided that <a
     href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26334692-421,00.html">the blame
     for stupid things drunks do is on the drunks themselves</a>:</p>
 
 <blockquote>
     <p>They [the High Court] ruled that outside exceptional cases, hotel owners
     and licensees "owe no general duty of care at common law to customers ...
     (requiring) them to monitor and minimise the service of alcohol or to
     protect customers from the consequences of the alcohol they choose to
     consume".</p>
 </blockquote>
 
 <p>This is good news, and reading through the comments most people seem to
 agree, though there are a few detractors.</p>
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<title>Child Rapist to be Beheaded
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<link>http://blog.timp.com.au/child_rapist_to_be_beheaded%3A2009-11-03%3AJurisprudence%2CPolitics</link>
<comments>http://blog.timp.com.au/child_rapist_to_be_beheaded%3A2009-11-03%3AJurisprudence%2CPolitics#comments</comments>
<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:03:53 +0200</pubDate>
<dc:creator>TimP</dc:creator>
<category>Jurisprudence</category>
<category>Politics</category>
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<p><a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,26301015-401,00.html">Child
     rapist to be beheaded</a>. Sounds about right for rape and attempted murder
 of children as young as three. I'm not a big fan of most Middle Eastern justice
 systems, but at least they understand the correct punishment for rapists and
 murderers.</p>
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<title>Fines for Begging
</title>
<link>http://blog.timp.com.au/fines_for_begging%3A2009-10-13%3AEconomics%2CJurisprudence%2CPolitics</link>
<comments>http://blog.timp.com.au/fines_for_begging%3A2009-10-13%3AEconomics%2CJurisprudence%2CPolitics#comments</comments>
<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:03:53 +0200</pubDate>
<dc:creator>TimP</dc:creator>
<category>Economics</category>
<category>Jurisprudence</category>
<category>Politics</category>
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<p>The Northern Territory [Labour] government is <a
     href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/10/13/2713194.htm">proposing
     raising the fines for begging to $6500</a>. (They're also raising the fine
 for not keeping a yard clean) I find myself wondering why there is even a fine
 for begging, and I definitely wonder why they think it needs to be so high?
 Sure beggars are kind of well ugly and annoying, but still why should we
 introduce laws to punish the poorest members of a society for something that
 doesn't cause any harm to anyone else?</p>
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<title>Japanese mobster spared hanging
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<link>http://blog.timp.com.au/japanese_mobster_spared_hanging%3A2009-10-01%3AJurisprudence%2CPolitics</link>
<comments>http://blog.timp.com.au/japanese_mobster_spared_hanging%3A2009-10-01%3AJurisprudence%2CPolitics#comments</comments>
<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:03:54 +0200</pubDate>
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<category>Jurisprudence</category>
<category>Politics</category>
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<description><![CDATA[ <p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/10/01/2702048.htm">A
 [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/10/01/2702048.htm">A
     murdering Japanese mobster is spared the gallows</a>. Yay, this is good news
 for people everywhere; it's about time Japan caught up with the rest of the
 world, and it's not like people who've been spared hanging ever re-offend. <a
 href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/29/2700039.htm">Killer who
 escaped gallows convicted again</a>. Oh; well that sucks then.</p>
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<title>Polanski arrested for child rape
</title>
<link>http://blog.timp.com.au/polanski_arrested_for_child_rape%3A2009-09-28%3AJurisprudence%2CLinkage</link>
<comments>http://blog.timp.com.au/polanski_arrested_for_child_rape%3A2009-09-28%3AJurisprudence%2CLinkage#comments</comments>
<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:03:54 +0200</pubDate>
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<category>Jurisprudence</category>
<category>Linkage</category>
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<description><![CDATA[ <p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/28/2698544.htm">... and
 [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/28/2698544.htm">... and
 his lawyer claims he should be released</a> because he "... obviously poses no
 danger to society and [his] artistic and personal reputation are clearly
 established". Yeah he's a wonderful man, except for that one time (that we know
 of) where he raped a 13 year old girl:</p>
 <blockquote>
 Ms Geimer said that after plying her with champagne and drugs and taking
 nude pictures, Polanski had sex despite her resistance and requests to be
 taken home.
 </blockquote>
 
 <p>But I'm sure he's normally a lovely guy, and we all make mistakes right?</p>
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<title>Bureaucratic Insanity
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<link>http://blog.timp.com.au/bureaucratic_insanity%3A2009-09-08%3AJurisprudence%2CPolitics%2CLinkage</link>
<comments>http://blog.timp.com.au/bureaucratic_insanity%3A2009-09-08%3AJurisprudence%2CPolitics%2CLinkage#comments</comments>
<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:03:53 +0200</pubDate>
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<category>Jurisprudence</category>
<category>Politics</category>
<category>Linkage</category>
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<description><![CDATA[ <p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/08/2679985.htm">Man
 [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/08/2679985.htm">Man
 arrested after kissing his daughter</a>. I hope there's something the that we're
 not being told here, some sort of reason this is happening other than just
 insanity, but somehow I suspect not.</p>
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<title>Toddler Murderer Sues Prison System
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<link>http://blog.timp.com.au/toddler_murderer_sues_prison_system%3A2009-08-28%3AJurisprudence</link>
<comments>http://blog.timp.com.au/toddler_murderer_sues_prison_system%3A2009-08-28%3AJurisprudence#comments</comments>
<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:03:57 +0200</pubDate>
<dc:creator>TimP</dc:creator>
<category>Jurisprudence</category>
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<p>Apparently <a
     href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,25992315-421,00.html">this
     jerk</a> caught HepC in prison and is now "incapacitated for employments to
 which he is suited", so he's suing the prison operators. I guess you should have
 thought of that before beating a three year old to death.</p>
 
 <p>Also four years!! What moron thought that was a fair prison sentence?</p>
 
 <p>On the plus side I do appreciate how the authors described the "violent
 drunken bully" accurately. Eventually you get tired of hearing about
 "ex-convicts" and "alleged murderers", and just want someone to admit that we
 are talking about a violent thug here.</p>
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